**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 16 12:00:01 2009 Aug 16 12:00:01 * NeddySeagoon calls the meeting to order Aug 16 12:00:07 NeddySeagoon Roll call Aug 16 12:00:21 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, robbat2 tsunam Aug 16 12:00:25 quantumsummers here Aug 16 12:00:26 robbat2 pong Aug 16 12:00:29 sinsun Be the first one who stands under Google. They are the same building. Aug 16 12:00:34 NeddySeagoon tsunam, sent his apologies Aug 16 12:00:39 quantumsummers indeed Aug 16 12:01:08 NeddySeagoon I propose we have 1 min in private reflection for Ferris Aug 16 12:01:17 quantumsummers second Aug 16 12:01:25 robbat2 aye Aug 16 12:02:54 sinsun Yesterday, The Coscup is fuill of Gentoo Android confferances. And google is rich and powerful Aug 16 12:03:04 NeddySeagoon Certified Public Accountant - quantumsummers Aug 16 12:03:14 rane SuSe is signed up for 2010.. Aug 16 12:03:25 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, do we need to keep this as an action ? Aug 16 12:03:31 sinsun rane: that's what I mean Aug 16 12:04:01 quantumsummers no news, awaiting financials to complete 1023 package & begin CPA package audit Aug 16 12:04:03 sinsun and Notice "Sun". they got MySql and OpenSolaris. Aug 16 12:04:33 sinsun not to mention Java Aug 16 12:04:33 NeddySeagoon Send friendly cease and desist emails to copyright infringers - quantumsummers Aug 16 12:04:33 quantumsummers can we push the computex stuff to the end of the meeting agenda/ Aug 16 12:04:35 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, any responses ? Aug 16 12:04:52 quantumsummers nothing as of today, I will follow up again with cafe[ress on monday Aug 16 12:04:58 NeddySeagoon sinsun, can you wait for open floor please Aug 16 12:05:31 NeddySeagoon should we keep an eye on Europe as well as the USA ? Aug 16 12:05:31 sinsun NeddySeagoon: tell me when I can speack. : -) Aug 16 12:05:33 quantumsummers I should call them perhaps Aug 16 12:05:40 quantumsummers cafepress that is Aug 16 12:06:03 NeddySeagoon sinsun follow the agenda http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/Trustee_Agenda_Aug_2009.xml Aug 16 12:06:13 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, yes please Aug 16 12:06:20 quantumsummers very well Aug 16 12:06:31 NeddySeagoon Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2008 - tsunam we can skip that Aug 16 12:06:44 NeddySeagoon Foundation Knowledge Management Needs - quantumsummers Aug 16 12:07:14 quantumsummers its ready for you guys to use, I have the instruments in place, we can always add more Aug 16 12:07:35 quantumsummers its still "in testing" but stable enough Aug 16 12:07:39 robbat2 quantumsummers, what's up re hosting it on Gentoo infra? you never got back to me re what you needed for it Aug 16 12:07:48 NeddySeagoon Set us up some access please, when we get time we can try it out Aug 16 12:08:17 quantumsummers robbat2: no need to host it, I have it on our app cluster Aug 16 12:08:32 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: I will set users up on Monday Aug 16 12:08:53 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, ok, I won't have email until I get home Aug 16 12:09:21 NeddySeagoon Trustees and Foundation Article For the News Feed -All. I suggest we put that on hold while we are under strength Aug 16 12:09:21 quantumsummers also curious if you guys want to demo another app suite as well, I should have an instance up next week Aug 16 12:09:44 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, if its useful, we'll try it Aug 16 12:10:35 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: ok Aug 16 12:10:53 NeddySeagoon Trustees and Foundation Article For the News Feed -All. I suggest we put that on hold while we are under strength ... is that ok Aug 16 12:11:01 quantumsummers yes, that is ok with me Aug 16 12:11:07 robbat2 +1 Aug 16 12:11:38 NeddySeagoon We should take fmccors name off the Trustee list on foundation.gentoo.org Aug 16 12:12:04 robbat2 there's a retirement bug open for him, that I expect to process today Aug 16 12:12:11 robbat2 which will cover all the web stuff too Aug 16 12:12:12 quantumsummers yes, also we need to attend to the official names on the NM site at some point Aug 16 12:12:17 NeddySeagoon Talk to Lawyers about fees and impact of 501c3 staus - fmccor. This one is difficult. Do we have a contact in Boston ? Aug 16 12:12:38 NeddySeagoon robbat2, ok Aug 16 12:12:46 quantumsummers I searched thru mails for this & I couldn't find out who the new on is Aug 16 12:12:54 robbat2 might rl03 know? Aug 16 12:13:01 NeddySeagoon maybe Aug 16 12:13:01 quantumsummers we have contacts for the old firms, perhaps Aug 16 12:13:36 quantumsummers seems that the firm rl103 had us hooked up to fell thru or something Aug 16 12:13:49 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, I do know that the contact in the West coast firm is no longer with them Aug 16 12:13:49 quantumsummers seems he was the only one who new what the deal was Aug 16 12:14:05 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: yes Aug 16 12:14:24 quantumsummers ok, then we must try to fugyre out who Boston was Aug 16 12:14:31 quantumsummers wow, *figure Aug 16 12:14:38 NeddySeagoon fmccor was going to talk with Boston about fees. They were not keen on pro-bono Aug 16 12:15:05 quantumsummers seems that is what we are going to face until we have 501c3, then there is incentive Aug 16 12:15:14 NeddySeagoon I don't think it has fallen through totally Aug 16 12:15:48 NeddySeagoon Its the general problem with the world wide economy Aug 16 12:16:10 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, does this fall in with the 503(c) stuff? Aug 16 12:16:11 quantumsummers we can afford the proposed fees without issue Aug 16 12:16:23 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: in terms of the legal? Aug 16 12:16:40 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, yes - can you look after it meanwhile ? Aug 16 12:17:11 quantumsummers I was merely stating that a firm would be more likely to do pro bono for a proper nfp Aug 16 12:17:25 NeddySeagoon contact rl03 etc. trawl the alias ... Aug 16 12:17:40 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, agreed Aug 16 12:17:47 quantumsummers yes, I can look after it, I have lawyer colleagues that specialize in nfp if we need to Aug 16 12:18:29 NeddySeagoon thank you. We need to try to get in touch with Boston anyway, to let them know we have not just disappeared Aug 16 12:18:54 quantumsummers you bet, I will see what I can do, else we can move to another firm Aug 16 12:19:05 NeddySeagoon I think fmccor forwarded some stuff to the alias but I can't search it until the weekend Aug 16 12:19:23 NeddySeagoon Write to www.linuxcenter.kz to inform them of approval - quantumsummers Aug 16 12:19:26 quantumsummers I'm searching again, I recall an email he forwarded, but cannot locate it currently Aug 16 12:19:37 quantumsummers I have a question about the .kz Aug 16 12:19:45 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, leave it until later Aug 16 12:19:53 quantumsummers leave what? Aug 16 12:19:53 NeddySeagoon serching .. Aug 16 12:19:56 quantumsummers ok Aug 16 12:20:04 NeddySeagoon what about the .kz ? Aug 16 12:20:33 quantumsummers re. .kz, did we agree on the terms for them regarding donation? I did not have that in my notes Aug 16 12:20:41 quantumsummers was it 10%? Aug 16 12:20:50 * quantumsummers drops ball Aug 16 12:22:04 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, I recall that they made us an offer, which we accepted Aug 16 12:22:31 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, Its in one of their emails Aug 16 12:22:46 quantumsummers ok, I have a draft finished, I just need the number Aug 16 12:22:52 * quantumsummers looks Aug 16 12:22:53 NeddySeagoon ok Aug 16 12:23:46 NeddySeagoon The Year Ahead ... we are a bit on the back foot now, lets cancel this item. We are half way though the year anyway Aug 16 12:23:58 quantumsummers ok Aug 16 12:24:32 NeddySeagoon robbat2, you ok with ^^ ? Aug 16 12:24:35 robbat2 +1 Aug 16 12:24:37 NeddySeagoon Actions From Previous Meetings on hold for one or more actions above .. Aug 16 12:24:56 * DrBonsaiPudding is now known as bonsaikitten Aug 16 12:25:02 robbat2 who's wants to pick up working with the e.V. now that fmccor has passed? Aug 16 12:25:16 NeddySeagoon Fix name and address on IPR/trademark documents, 31 Aug 2008 meeting authorised the $200 fees - fmccor is the only one that may have moved. IF so, we will have had a bill for the fee Aug 16 12:25:40 NeddySeagoon robbat2, I will until we are back to strenght Aug 16 12:25:46 robbat2 NeddySeagoon, thx Aug 16 12:26:40 quantumsummers found to lawyer name & email Aug 16 12:26:46 quantumsummers s/to/the Aug 16 12:26:58 NeddySeagoon its not onourous at the moment. we just ask dertobi123 Aug 16 12:27:23 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, which one ? Aug 16 12:27:27 quantumsummers Choate Aug 16 12:27:33 quantumsummers IP stuff Aug 16 12:27:37 NeddySeagoon Ah, the Boston one Aug 16 12:27:45 quantumsummers yes, I am fairly certain Aug 16 12:27:53 robbat2 great Aug 16 12:28:33 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, can you contact them to explain what happened and ask how we should proceed, or something like that Aug 16 12:28:41 quantumsummers sure can Aug 16 12:29:22 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, thanks. If they talk about fees, listen and report back. You must not commit the Foundation Aug 16 12:29:30 quantumsummers Heather E. Balmat of Choate Hall & Stewart LLP http://choate.com/people.php?PeopleID=13 Aug 16 12:29:38 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: yes I will do so Aug 16 12:29:45 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, ok Aug 16 12:30:36 quantumsummers Perhaps I can coordinate some with the lawyers & the cpa to assist in our 501c3 as well. Worth a chat anyway Aug 16 12:30:43 NeddySeagoon Open Bugs Assigned to Trustees ... that was on me. The new store page is up with all the stores I know about Aug 16 12:30:58 quantumsummers nice one Neddy, thanks Aug 16 12:30:59 NeddySeagoon I still have to move the CDs/DVD vendors there Aug 16 12:31:16 NeddySeagoon it won't be this week Aug 16 12:31:27 robbat2 i can probably move them Aug 16 12:31:39 NeddySeagoon robbat2, thanks Aug 16 12:32:10 NeddySeagoon 5 New Licence Applications * None Aug 16 12:32:19 NeddySeagoon 6 Membership Applications * None Aug 16 12:32:47 NeddySeagoon 7. Treasurers Report for FY ending 30 June 2009 - tsunam skip that as tsunam is not here Aug 16 12:33:08 NeddySeagoon 8. Date of Next Meeting - Sunday 13th September 2009 at 1900 UTC Aug 16 12:33:19 NeddySeagoon robbat2, quantumsummers is that ok ? Aug 16 12:33:22 quantumsummers should be ok, Aug 16 12:33:30 robbat2 i'm not 100% certain re that time yet Aug 16 12:33:39 robbat2 i may have to get a friend to the airport that day Aug 16 12:33:46 quantumsummers my wife & I have bday's the 11th & 12th Aug 16 12:33:57 robbat2 so maybe just push an hour or two, i'll update when I know Aug 16 12:34:28 quantumsummers pushing an hour will put NeddySeagoon up too late I suspect Aug 16 12:35:19 quantumsummers as a side note, NeddySeagoon, would you mind emailing the alias with your general availability now that you are working on the road? Aug 16 12:35:25 NeddySeagoon robbat2, ok. At the moment, we start at 20:00 my local time ... I'll offer 21:00 my time but I'll probably be up early for a flight the following day. I don't mind earlier but you will still be in your bed :) Aug 16 12:35:42 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, ok, I'll do that Aug 16 12:36:00 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: thanks, just wanted it so I knew when to bug you ;) Aug 16 12:36:31 NeddySeagoon Shall we leave it Sunday 13th September 2009 at 1900 UTC meanwhile ? Aug 16 12:36:40 quantumsummers fine by me Aug 16 12:36:47 NeddySeagoon robbat2, ^ Aug 16 12:37:02 robbat2 yes Aug 16 12:37:26 NeddySeagoon 9. Any other business Aug 16 12:37:39 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, you always have something ? Aug 16 12:38:36 quantumsummers lol, hmm not today I think Aug 16 12:38:40 NeddySeagoon robbat2, AoB ? Aug 16 12:39:05 robbat2 nil Aug 16 12:39:11 NeddySeagoon I have one Aug 16 12:39:21 quantumsummers o_0 Aug 16 12:39:25 quantumsummers :) Aug 16 12:39:30 robbat2 (sorry, i've been distracted and so busy this week) Aug 16 12:39:40 NeddySeagoon We need to decide how we fill our vacancy. I suggest an election Aug 16 12:40:11 quantumsummers I see no problems with a special election, except its a lot of work for folks Aug 16 12:40:23 robbat2 who was next in the previous voting? Aug 16 12:41:19 robbat2 musikc and patrick were next, in that order Aug 16 12:41:27 NeddySeagoon robbat2, we don't do that. Its an election or an appointment by the trustees. We are not required to appoint from the previous list of candidates Aug 16 12:41:53 robbat2 i think both of them are busy with other things anyway Aug 16 12:42:03 NeddySeagoon We can appoint any developer who is interested Aug 16 12:42:11 robbat2 i was suggesting them as potential appointees Aug 16 12:42:16 robbat2 not that we had to use them Aug 16 12:42:25 NeddySeagoon yeah ok Aug 16 12:42:25 quantumsummers perhaps we make a call to the community to test interest Aug 16 12:42:50 quantumsummers then if we get several folks interested we can either appoint or have a run off Aug 16 12:43:00 robbat2 run off++ Aug 16 12:43:07 quantumsummers sounds fine to ,e Aug 16 12:43:10 quantumsummers *\me Aug 16 12:43:14 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, yes, thats a good idea. we can put an announce out on the foundation list Aug 16 12:43:32 quantumsummers should go to -dev-announce as well Aug 16 12:43:51 quantumsummers nm Aug 16 12:43:59 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, it shouldn't need to as all members are subscribed to the foundation list Aug 16 12:44:18 quantumsummers just realized which list you meant Aug 16 12:44:20 robbat2 the foundation-announce Aug 16 12:44:24 robbat2 vs gentoo-foundation Aug 16 12:44:27 * quantumsummers was thinking -nfp Aug 16 12:44:43 robbat2 yeah, -nfp/-foundation, sorry Aug 16 12:44:43 NeddySeagoon I can do it next weekend unless someone else wants to do it sooner Aug 16 12:44:52 quantumsummers ah, which reminds me, I do have AoB Aug 16 12:45:05 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, heh - I knew it - you never miss Aug 16 12:45:18 quantumsummers though I think it might be better handled in private atm Aug 16 12:45:30 quantumsummers robbat2: re your lengthy email to us Aug 16 12:45:31 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, ok, put it on the alias then Aug 16 12:45:47 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: sounds good Aug 16 12:45:51 robbat2 i haven't finished editing it into a blogpost yet Aug 16 12:46:03 quantumsummers then shall we process the request for removal? Aug 16 12:46:06 robbat2 yes Aug 16 12:46:14 robbat2 removal accepted Aug 16 12:46:17 quantumsummers ok, NeddySeagoon, yes as well? Aug 16 12:46:26 robbat2 shall we clarify here for the logs Aug 16 12:46:36 quantumsummers fine with me Aug 16 12:46:45 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, yes. there has been no retraction Aug 16 12:47:07 robbat2 for clarification: Philantrop has requested removal from the foundation Aug 16 12:47:18 quantumsummers Philantrop: you are hereby removed from the foundation membership. Please allow 30 days to complete the removal from all Foundation media Aug 16 12:47:18 robbat2 all present trustees have voted in favour of accepting Aug 16 12:47:36 quantumsummers indeed Aug 16 12:47:43 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, 10 days - read the bylaws Aug 16 12:47:48 quantumsummers whopps Aug 16 12:48:00 quantumsummers yes, strike that, 10 days Aug 16 12:48:21 robbat2 i'll trim him from the -foundation-announce list, quantumsummers will you please update your rosters etc Aug 16 12:48:41 NeddySeagoon and voice here Aug 16 12:49:01 quantumsummers robbat2: yes, effective immediately. he is removed from the official list. Aug 16 12:49:34 robbat2 quantumsummers, please PM me the address you had on file for him Aug 16 12:49:35 NeddySeagoon any more ? Aug 16 12:49:38 robbat2 i don't find the address he emailed us from Aug 16 12:49:51 quantumsummers nope, not from me Aug 16 12:49:58 quantumsummers robbat2: just a sec Aug 16 12:50:03 NeddySeagoon robbat2, AoB ? Aug 16 12:50:07 robbat2 none Aug 16 12:50:28 NeddySeagoon 10 Open floor Aug 16 12:50:34 NeddySeagoon sinsun, your turn Aug 16 12:50:41 sinsun Yes Aug 16 12:51:19 sinsun NeddySeagoon: I'm still new. To compare these trustees, I'm still young. Aug 16 12:51:48 NeddySeagoon sinsun, to talk about Comdex Aug 16 12:51:59 sinsun I am Taiwanese. And as you know there're bunch Hardware manufactory. Aug 16 12:52:06 robbat2 sinsun, on the 2009 exhibitor list, I didn't see sun at all. nor could we find any other open source companies (or even many non-hardware companies) Aug 16 12:52:20 sinsun Acer,Asus,HTC,tsmc........ Aug 16 12:52:33 robbat2 those are hardware companies Aug 16 12:52:40 robbat2 what other non-hardware companies are there Aug 16 12:52:43 sinsun robbat2: yes, indeed Aug 16 12:52:45 robbat2 as it seems primarily a hardware show Aug 16 12:52:48 robbat2 not a software show Aug 16 12:53:02 sinsun actually, there're 3 display area Aug 16 12:53:45 sinsun Did I say how much for a display room? Aug 16 12:54:07 robbat2 quantumsummers linked to the pricing Aug 16 12:54:14 quantumsummers bottom line: we cannot afford to go unless someone donates some serious cash to get the booth, man the booth, help with travel & accommodations. I would /love/ for Gentoo to show at something like this, but it is premature at this point, in my opinion. Aug 16 12:54:20 rane http://blog.canonical.com/?p=173 Aug 16 12:54:23 robbat2 http://www.computextaipei.com.tw/exhibitor/application.shtml#7 Aug 16 12:54:26 rane they are there for three years already Aug 16 12:54:59 sinsun $3850 USD Aug 16 12:55:13 quantumsummers that is just a booth Aug 16 12:55:20 robbat2 http://www.taiwanpcsources.com/computex2009exhibitors.htm <--- rane, they aren't on there Aug 16 12:55:21 rane well, we don't have 3850 Aug 16 12:55:28 rane so there's little point discussing Aug 16 12:55:31 sinsun I'll tell them how to lower price for non-profit org. Aug 16 12:55:33 quantumsummers travel is really expensive as well as hotel, etc Aug 16 12:55:42 rane robbat2, Gerry Carr - Head of Platform Marketing is signed under this post... Aug 16 12:55:48 rane robbat2, i doubt he's making it up:-| Aug 16 12:55:55 quantumsummers sinsun: if they can lower it to free, then we can talk Aug 16 12:56:10 robbat2 rane, in that I agree with you, but i'm trying to find out who in the open source world actually goes Aug 16 12:56:13 robbat2 definitively Aug 16 12:56:22 sinsun quantumsummers: to be free is too hard Aug 16 12:56:48 sinsun what brand would be sponser? Aug 16 12:57:04 sinsun posibbly Aug 16 12:57:13 quantumsummers to not be free to too expensive for the Foundation at this time. Once we have 501c3 status we can begin to raise enough money to do things like computex right Aug 16 12:57:18 robbat2 rane, googling suggests that they gave a presentation, not that they had a booth Aug 16 12:58:37 robbat2 sinsun, on the organization side Aug 16 12:58:42 robbat2 even if the foundation did front the money Aug 16 12:59:08 sinsun robbat2: nod Aug 16 12:59:10 robbat2 what support is there from the Gentoo.TW user (and dev?) base to man it and arrange it Aug 16 12:59:28 robbat2 we don't want a repeat of some of the other expos Aug 16 12:59:33 robbat2 where gentoo was given a space Aug 16 12:59:35 sinsun robbat2: gentoo-tw is full of MIS Aug 16 12:59:36 robbat2 and nobody turned up Aug 16 12:59:39 NeddySeagoon sinsun, all the exhibitors have one thing in common. They exist to make money for their sharehoders. Gentoo can make money but is not permitted to distribute it to its members. We are a not for profit organisation **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 16 13:00:25 2009 Aug 16 13:00:25 sinsun NeddySeagoon: You can't sell anything in Computex Aug 16 13:00:29 NeddySeagoon That means we don't make much money either Aug 16 13:00:48 robbat2 no sales ("by donation") of shirts either? Aug 16 13:00:48 sinsun Trend is urge to search opensource support Aug 16 13:01:10 sinsun robbat2: it could happen Aug 16 13:01:18 NeddySeagoon sinsun, no, you line up sales for later from the publicity you get. Aug 16 13:01:40 robbat2 "gentoo-tw is full of MIS": how many gentoo users in Taipei would be manning the booth? any developers? Aug 16 13:01:56 NeddySeagoon MIS ? Aug 16 13:02:03 quantumsummers sinsun: what is MIS? Aug 16 13:02:19 sinsun robbat2: hm, there're few developer and they are Debian guy. Aug 16 13:02:46 robbat2 I don't think we even have any active developers in Japan anymore Aug 16 13:02:56 robbat2 and the closest to Taiwan is r0bertz in Hong Kong Aug 16 13:03:15 sinsun quantumsummer: Management Information System, crap Aug 16 13:03:30 robbat2 basically a degree in IT Aug 16 13:03:44 quantumsummers kk Aug 16 13:03:53 sinsun ya, r0bertz is in HK Aug 16 13:04:02 * quantumsummers apologizes, but must go very soon. Is there anything else I can be of assistance with? Aug 16 13:04:08 sinsun it's easier to held in HK Aug 16 13:04:11 robbat2 quantumsummers, go, I think this will be only discussion Aug 16 13:04:26 robbat2 Neddy probably wants to go too Aug 16 13:04:30 quantumsummers very well, I will check back Aug 16 13:04:31 robbat2 so i'll talk to sinsun Aug 16 13:04:38 quantumsummers NeddySeagoon: have a pleasant trip tomorrow Aug 16 13:04:44 quantumsummers robbat2: thanks Aug 16 13:05:16 robbat2 sinsun, to run a booth successfully, you need a few things beyond the booth itself Aug 16 13:05:25 robbat2 1. enough dedicated people to man the booth Aug 16 13:05:38 robbat2 1.1 the people must know their subject matter extremely well, this usually means developers Aug 16 13:05:50 robbat2 2. something to show off at the booth, to draw people in Aug 16 13:05:54 NeddySeagoon quantumsummers, thanks Aug 16 13:06:18 sinsun robbat2: Nod Aug 16 13:06:31 robbat2 3. visible signage and adversiting, beyond anything provided by the expo company Aug 16 13:06:39 robbat2 3.1 Gentoo has some banners that it ships around for this Aug 16 13:06:48 robbat2 3.2 flyers would be needed locally as well Aug 16 13:06:54 sinsun robbat2: how many uhman resource we need Aug 16 13:06:56 robbat2 3.3 Gentoo media Aug 16 13:07:23 bonsaikitten to staff it well you want at least 3 or 4 fulltime people Aug 16 13:07:37 sinsun 3.3 Gentoo Media is like what? Aug 16 13:07:43 robbat2 Gentoo CDs Aug 16 13:08:08 sinsun robbat2: cool! ship to Taipei or we do it ourselve? Aug 16 13:08:29 robbat2 i've done booth staffing (for phpMyAdmin) with just two people, both of us developers of phpMyAdmin, for 2 straight days, and that's really hard Aug 16 13:08:47 robbat2 sinsun, you'd need to arrange to get it done locally Aug 16 13:09:00 robbat2 you can probably find cheap CD pressing in Taiwan easily Aug 16 13:09:09 sinsun yes Aug 16 13:09:51 robbat2 bonsaikitten, was it you or pylon that arranged some of the german stuff? Aug 16 13:09:54 robbat2 like LinuxTag 2005? Aug 16 13:09:59 NeddySeagoon I need to finish packing. I'll check back later Aug 16 13:10:06 robbat2 i recall somebody telling me how much they spent printing flyers etc Aug 16 13:10:12 sinsun I'll call to Exhibition clerk to detail with charge. Aug 16 13:10:19 bonsaikitten robbat2: mostly pylon and dertobi123, I helped with fosdem and this year's froscon Aug 16 13:10:26 robbat2 bonsaikitten, ah, right Aug 16 13:10:36 robbat2 sinsun, specifically, look for discounts for not-for-profit organizations Aug 16 13:10:52 robbat2 don't commit, just research Aug 16 13:10:53 sinsun roger Aug 16 13:11:17 robbat2 how many Gentoo users in Taipei would you have available to help man the booth? Aug 16 13:12:39 sinsun robbat2: about 10 to 20 employed Aug 16 13:12:59 robbat2 we need at least 200 man-hours of people available for the booth Aug 16 13:13:45 robbat2 that's including 2.5 hours for each of setup and teardown Aug 16 13:13:53 robbat2 and the 41 hours of the show Aug 16 13:14:34 sinsun robbat2: but don't be too late. CST time now is sleeping time Aug 16 13:16:41 robbat2 ok, so you need to talk to the clerk soon to see about a cheaper rate Aug 16 13:16:54 robbat2 and see what there is in the way of Gentoo users to help out and be able to answer questions Aug 16 13:17:15 robbat2 it sounds interesting, so I might come out myself as a developer if it does happen Aug 16 13:17:17 sinsun robbat2: copy that! Aug 16 13:18:38 robbat2 but some other developers to answer questions would probably be needed to Aug 16 13:18:50 robbat2 and i'd still have to figure out accommodation Aug 16 13:20:06 robbat2 and probably try to learn Mandarin again Aug 16 13:20:29 sinsun ok, I'll be checking one by one. What is nex commit? Aug 16 13:20:39 sinsun s/nex/next Aug 16 13:21:21 robbat2 you talk to the clerk, and report back to the trustees as to what discount and arrangement for not-for-profit organizations there are Aug 16 13:21:28 * tsunam has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 16 13:21:34 sinsun When actually, When do we have commit Aug 16 13:21:34 robbat2 we'll continue from there Aug 16 13:22:01 robbat2 err, what do you mean by that? Aug 16 13:22:09 sinsun and when? Aug 16 13:22:19 robbat2 when can the foundation commit to it? or when is the deadline to sign up? Aug 16 13:23:27 sinsun I mean when the gentoo-trustees has talking next time? Aug 16 13:24:24 robbat2 the next full meeting is september 13th, but we talk on the mailing alias often Aug 16 13:24:31 robbat2 that's why I direct you to email us there Aug 16 13:24:42 robbat2 trustees@gentoo.org Aug 16 13:25:04 NeddySeagoon we are also here when we are online Aug 16 13:25:25 sinsun oh, good! Aug 16 13:25:32 robbat2 given timezones, it might be better for him to mention it here AND send an email Aug 16 13:25:54 NeddySeagoon true. Aug 16 13:26:07 robbat2 it's 04h25 there now Aug 16 13:26:18 NeddySeagoon robbat2, yep Aug 16 13:26:50 robbat2 sinsun, so, good night to you, so you can get to sleep Aug 16 13:27:23 sinsun robbat2: Thank you! It'll be a good dream. Aug 16 13:27:24 robbat2 i was up till 4am last night, but that ended up being talking to political science students about open source philosophies and the commons Aug 16 13:27:32 * sinsun thanks to all Aug 16 13:29:16 robbat2 http://sellingfreesoftwareforaliving.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-was-at-computex-2009-too.html <--- suse/novell booth pictures Aug 16 13:30:02 robbat2 "1) With our close collaboration with Intel on Moblin, we are 1 of 2 software vendors allowed to have a booth on the traditionally hardware vendor ONLY show floor." Aug 16 13:30:11 robbat2 so we might not even be accepted Aug 16 13:31:07 * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed Aug 16 13:31:14 NeddySeagoon thank you everyone