**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 13 12:03:51 2009 Sep 13 12:03:51 quantumsummers|c robbat2|na: ping :) Sep 13 12:04:35 quantumsummers|c tsunam, dabbott, we have quorum I believe Sep 13 12:04:46 tsunam barely but do Sep 13 12:04:50 dabbott yes Sep 13 12:05:13 quantumsummers|c I think we need to choose a Vice Chair. Sep 13 12:05:35 dabbott who wants it Sep 13 12:05:52 quantumsummers|c hmm Sep 13 12:06:31 tsunam I'm already holding one position so I shouldn't Sep 13 12:07:11 dabbott I nominate quantumsummers|c Sep 13 12:07:23 * quantumsummers|c is now known as quantumsummers Sep 13 12:07:41 quantumsummers I accept Sep 13 12:07:57 tsunam all those in favor Sep 13 12:08:06 dabbott I Sep 13 12:08:09 tsunam aye Sep 13 12:08:25 quantumsummers yes Sep 13 12:08:44 tsunam well as that's everyone here..there's no opposals Sep 13 12:09:03 tsunam motion caries Sep 13 12:09:08 robbat2|na pong Sep 13 12:09:10 quantumsummers thanks Sep 13 12:09:10 robbat2|na i'm here Sep 13 12:09:24 robbat2|na aye from me too Sep 13 12:09:41 dabbott quantumsummers is the Vice Chairman Sep 13 12:09:57 quantumsummers I have just a couple of things w.r.t. an agenda: Sep 13 12:09:57 quantumsummers 1) Welcome dabbott to the board Sep 13 12:09:57 quantumsummers 2) Gentoo 10 release date & party Sep 13 12:10:18 * quantumsummers claps for dabbott, welcome :) Sep 13 12:10:24 * robbat2|na joins Sep 13 12:10:32 quantumsummers huzzah Sep 13 12:10:51 quantumsummers anything you would like to say dabbott? Sep 13 12:11:10 dabbott Ask not what your distro can do for you; ask what you can do for your distro. Sep 13 12:11:26 quantumsummers well put. Sep 13 12:11:36 dabbott thank you everyone Sep 13 12:11:37 tsunam lol Sep 13 12:12:11 quantumsummers the date of 2009 10 04 has been proposed as the release date for g10 livedvd. It appears to be on track. Sep 13 12:12:32 quantumsummers there was some interest in pressing media for distribution Sep 13 12:13:05 quantumsummers I was able to find prices on said media ranging from 400-600 USD Sep 13 12:13:16 quantumsummers for 1000 disks Sep 13 12:13:23 quantumsummers seems a tad pricey Sep 13 12:13:41 quantumsummers I am curious if anyone has experience with this sort of thing Sep 13 12:13:50 tsunam I would be against pressing media. It's been proven from the store in previous years its not a primary thing people are interested in Sep 13 12:14:05 quantumsummers fair enough Sep 13 12:14:06 robbat2|na quantumsummers, as pressed media prices go, at that quantity, it's a good price Sep 13 12:14:11 robbat2|na but i concur with tsunam Sep 13 12:14:27 dabbott I agree with tsunam Sep 13 12:14:28 robbat2|na unless we're going to use it to hand out at cons etc Sep 13 12:14:30 quantumsummers robbat2|na: thanks. good to know it wasn't orbbery Sep 13 12:14:42 robbat2|na selling them hasn't worked out well in the past Sep 13 12:15:33 dabbott yes it would be nice to provide them to dev's that go to conferences and such Sep 13 12:16:12 quantumsummers we could just provide empty disks & an official label Sep 13 12:16:29 quantumsummers to some devs ahead of the conf for self burning perhaps Sep 13 12:16:36 robbat2|na pre-printed CD-Rs? Sep 13 12:16:42 robbat2|na & DVD-Rs Sep 13 12:16:45 * tove (n=tove@smtp.gentoo.org) has joined #gentoo-trustees Sep 13 12:16:45 * ChanServ gives voice to tove Sep 13 12:17:18 quantumsummers could be, I think the sticker labels would be cheap to have printed & we could send blank dvds Sep 13 12:17:34 quantumsummers no idea if that would work at all in practice Sep 13 12:17:40 quantumsummers could be a pain Sep 13 12:18:01 robbat2|na nicely done sticker labels could work out, cheaper shipping by weight than the media Sep 13 12:18:17 quantumsummers yes Sep 13 12:18:20 robbat2|na but disk weight issues if the label is off-centre Sep 13 12:18:47 quantumsummers yes, almost need the little application device to have good results Sep 13 12:19:12 quantumsummers what about lightscripe, the media is a tad $$$ iirc Sep 13 12:19:23 tsunam and takes a while Sep 13 12:19:58 robbat2|na and drives aren't that common Sep 13 12:20:45 tsunam anyways a bit off topic from the meeting no? Sep 13 12:20:52 robbat2|na hmm, pre-printed media is nearly the same price as print+press Sep 13 12:21:07 robbat2|na yeah, the question for the meeting remains, is there sufficent demand that they'll be used up Sep 13 12:21:12 robbat2|na before the next actual release Sep 13 12:21:20 robbat2|na esp with the functional weeklys Sep 13 12:21:47 quantumsummers if we could get a smaller number at a reasonable price we could avoid carrying the inventory Sep 13 12:22:08 robbat2|na the cost goes way up Sep 13 12:22:10 robbat2|na per unit Sep 13 12:22:44 quantumsummers hmm, this may warrant some further discussion Sep 13 12:23:23 dabbott see how much demand there really is Sep 13 12:23:36 tsunam i would suspect minimal to be honest Sep 13 12:24:12 quantumsummers I move that we table this discussion until we have a better idea about by when & how many are needed. We can manage via email. Sep 13 12:24:21 robbat2|na seconded Sep 13 12:24:46 quantumsummers tsunam, dabbott: you ok with the above? Sep 13 12:24:50 tsunam yep Sep 13 12:24:54 dabbott yes Sep 13 12:25:00 quantumsummers kk. thanks Sep 13 12:25:53 quantumsummers so there is the date of the birthday, oct 4. We should have some PR stuff go out, and I believe that the linux-mag article will be publishable around then Sep 13 12:26:33 quantumsummers any ideas about what, if anything, the foundation should do to celebrate? Sep 13 12:27:03 quantumsummers we have the screenshot contest coming out around then. Sep 13 12:27:14 dabbott yep Sep 13 12:28:26 robbat2|na unofficial release parties? Sep 13 12:28:52 quantumsummers robbat2|na: sounds good. how to advertise? Sep 13 12:29:19 quantumsummers someone should get a cake made ;) Sep 13 12:29:39 robbat2|na that would probably be locally at the parties if any Sep 13 12:29:47 dabbott Roy could spike the coffee machine Sep 13 12:29:47 quantumsummers sure Sep 13 12:30:49 robbat2|na probably just on mailing lists and personal blogs, since they are unofficial Sep 13 12:30:58 robbat2|na and that's getting offtopic for the meeting again I think Sep 13 12:31:03 dabbott and a news item Sep 13 12:31:09 quantumsummers we should encourage users & devs to get together & celebrate, then do a photo stream on flickr or something Sep 13 12:31:25 robbat2|na yup, a news item on the frontpage Sep 13 12:31:26 quantumsummers ok, there are several things we should talk about beyond this. Sep 13 12:31:33 robbat2|na but lets deal with other business Sep 13 12:31:46 quantumsummers tsunam: what is the status of the annual report? Sep 13 12:31:51 quantumsummers financials, etc Sep 13 12:31:54 tsunam finished and ready to provide Sep 13 12:32:00 quantumsummers sweet!!! Sep 13 12:32:05 tsunam Gross Income for the period of July 1,2008 through June 30,2009 was $6,068.06. Of which 67% came during the first half of the year. Sep 13 12:32:08 tsunam Expenditures for the same period were $793.29. Majority of which went to Legal fees related to filings with the state of new mexico. The cost of the filings counted for 64% of the expenditures for the fiscal year. The rest is accounted for in fee's leveraged by paypal. Sep 13 12:32:12 tsunam Net income for the period was $5,274.77 Sep 13 12:32:33 quantumsummers good Sep 13 12:32:51 quantumsummers tsunam: what about the filing with the state of NM? Sep 13 12:32:56 robbat2|na err, /me could have sworn that there were some infra costs during that timeperiod Sep 13 12:32:58 quantumsummers how is that going Sep 13 12:33:13 robbat2|na or were all of those dated past the close of the FY? Sep 13 12:33:20 tsunam robbat2|na: past the close Sep 13 12:33:29 tsunam they'll appear in this years Sep 13 12:33:34 robbat2|na ok, thanks Sep 13 12:33:41 tsunam quantumsummers: I'll be sending it out next week Sep 13 12:34:01 quantumsummers alright, thanks a ton tsunam. we're ahead of the game. excellent Sep 13 12:34:25 quantumsummers I will need the financials to give to the CPA soon. Sep 13 12:34:56 quantumsummers this is the final piece in constructing the 1023 form for 501c3 Sep 13 12:35:19 tsunam quantumsummers: I sent you the statements from paypal Sep 13 12:35:25 tsunam you need something else? Sep 13 12:35:33 quantumsummers tsunam: let me look Sep 13 12:35:43 tsunam that was a while ago Sep 13 12:36:04 quantumsummers yes, it was. there are no updates since then? Sep 13 12:36:30 tsunam well the first quarters ends at the end of this month Sep 13 12:36:41 tsunam so there will be a new one for q1 10 Sep 13 12:37:29 quantumsummers ok, I'll put things together on my end & see if there is anything else we need Sep 13 12:38:01 tsunam k Sep 13 12:38:07 quantumsummers this dovetails with the SFLC call we have rescheduled Sep 13 12:38:50 quantumsummers I think this could be really good for us, to get at least some involvement from them Sep 13 12:39:12 quantumsummers dabbott: when is the call? Sep 13 12:39:32 dabbott tues 12:30pm EST Sep 13 12:39:55 quantumsummers can we all be there? Sep 13 12:40:02 quantumsummers I can Sep 13 12:40:05 armin76 monkeys? Sep 13 12:40:10 quantumsummers lolZ Sep 13 12:40:12 robbat2|na i'll try to be on it too Sep 13 12:40:13 dabbott He tested on his end and it worked fine so hopefully no problems Sep 13 12:40:19 tsunam I can't Sep 13 12:40:32 quantumsummers ok Sep 13 12:40:47 quantumsummers armin76: how big of a monkey? Sep 13 12:41:06 quantumsummers that is good, the board will be well represented Sep 13 12:41:42 dabbott robbat2|na, I will send you the number Sep 13 12:41:51 robbat2|na dabbott, you said EST? did you mean EDT? just making sure I have the correct time offset Sep 13 12:42:08 quantumsummers EDT Sep 13 12:42:20 dabbott New_York Sep 13 12:42:27 quantumsummers "new york time" Sep 13 12:42:36 robbat2|na that's EDT at the moment yes Sep 13 12:42:45 robbat2|na just checking since dabbott said EST above Sep 13 12:42:51 robbat2|na just use UTC, easier Sep 13 12:43:06 robbat2|na 13h30 UTC Sep 13 12:43:18 robbat2|na MinnieBannister ^^^^ so you might be there too? Sep 13 12:43:27 robbat2|na depending on his work travels Sep 13 12:43:54 quantumsummers as we are not following a formal agenda today, I propose we move to bugs. Sep 13 12:44:15 quantumsummers ok with everyone, or shall we discuss the call? Sep 13 12:44:48 quantumsummers re: SFLC, I plan to put together several points that would benefit from discussion. Sep 13 12:45:05 quantumsummers anyone caring to contribute to that is welcome to do so Sep 13 12:45:23 quantumsummers Bug 284517 Sep 13 12:45:26 Willikins quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/284517 "Hardware Funding Request: Efika MX Open Client"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; darkside@g.o:trustees@g.o Sep 13 12:45:49 robbat2|na aye from me on it Sep 13 12:45:55 quantumsummers looks like an interesting investment Sep 13 12:45:55 dabbott yes Sep 13 12:46:01 robbat2|na to clarify one item with it Sep 13 12:46:06 quantumsummers yes? Sep 13 12:46:28 robbat2|na Genesi may be providing two other developers with the boards (it's pending), but this one we'd actually be purchasing and probably have sooner Sep 13 12:46:41 quantumsummers understood Sep 13 12:48:21 quantumsummers I would like to see a blog post per week come out of the proj as a condition of funding Sep 13 12:48:40 tsunam darkside_: ^^^ Sep 13 12:48:43 robbat2|na for what timeframe? Sep 13 12:49:00 robbat2|na received till +6 months? Sep 13 12:49:32 quantumsummers when will the device arrive? Sep 13 12:49:43 quantumsummers 6 months sounds fine Sep 13 12:49:56 quantumsummers 25 post Sep 13 12:50:01 quantumsummers that is a good nuber Sep 13 12:50:17 quantumsummers is that too much work darkside_? Sep 13 12:51:00 robbat2|na the PPC genesi hardware shipped from Germany, and took a couple of weeks to arrive before Sep 13 12:51:13 quantumsummers so relatively quick Sep 13 12:51:43 quantumsummers tsunam: how do you vote? Sep 13 12:51:59 tsunam the purchase is fine with me Sep 13 12:52:07 tsunam but need feedback from darkside before ordering Sep 13 12:52:35 quantumsummers ok. I'll post it to the bug. What sort of feedback? Sep 13 12:52:45 tsunam if he accepts the condition Sep 13 12:52:49 quantumsummers :) Sep 13 12:53:28 quantumsummers he did mention a blog in the request, perhaps its just a suggested number of posts, so its not too much pressure Sep 13 12:54:48 quantumsummers ok Sep 13 12:54:56 quantumsummers Bug 284224 Sep 13 12:54:57 Willikins quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/284224 "Summer of Code changes in reimbursement"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:trustees@g.o Sep 13 12:55:13 quantumsummers seems that we discussed this on the bug fairly well. Sep 13 12:55:38 tsunam as long as the cost stays within the amount donnie specified I'm okie with it Sep 13 12:56:01 quantumsummers me too Sep 13 12:56:36 dabbott fine with me Sep 13 12:56:41 robbat2|na aye from me Sep 13 12:56:46 quantumsummers ok, good Sep 13 12:56:56 quantumsummers we will proceed with Donnie Sep 13 12:58:35 quantumsummers that's all the bugs I had. Any others? Sep 13 12:59:11 robbat2|na nothing of current business I know Sep 13 12:59:34 quantumsummers we have had no new membership applications. Sep 13 12:59:57 quantumsummers any other business? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 13 13:00:10 2009 Sep 13 13:00:10 dabbott new business? Sep 13 13:00:18 quantumsummers yes Sep 13 13:00:51 dabbott The LiveDVD needs some help generating artwork Sep 13 13:01:19 dabbott there was a suggestion of a bounty but may be out of time Sep 13 13:01:53 quantumsummers by bounty, you mean pay someone? Sep 13 13:02:03 dabbott yes Sep 13 13:02:04 quantumsummers a "winner" Sep 13 13:02:32 quantumsummers is it competitive? Sep 13 13:02:37 * likewhoa (n=y0@ool-45717734.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #gentoo-trustees Sep 13 13:02:59 robbat2|na dabbott, can you specific what artwork you were looking for? Sep 13 13:03:09 robbat2|na just a FB splashscreen and desktop background Sep 13 13:03:15 robbat2|na or more like full theming etc? Sep 13 13:03:28 quantumsummers ~3 weeks left. hmm not much time. I have a vector artist friend working on a couple of concepts (free) Sep 13 13:03:57 likewhoa quantumsummers: can he make some icons as well? Sep 13 13:04:01 dabbott Full theme would be nice but anything is better than what we have now Sep 13 13:04:08 quantumsummers likewhoa: not enough for a full theme Sep 13 13:04:20 likewhoa dabbott: I got 3 wallpapers in the works :) Sep 13 13:04:23 quantumsummers I called in a favor to get the wallpapers Sep 13 13:04:28 robbat2|na historically we've just done a framebuffer splash, and a wallpaper Sep 13 13:05:02 quantumsummers works for me Sep 13 13:05:19 quantumsummers we could have an art contest, but we're running out of tome Sep 13 13:05:21 quantumsummers *time Sep 13 13:06:03 robbat2|na we get the wallpapers from likewhoa and quantumsummers's art friend, and use the most evenly toned one for a splash screen Sep 13 13:06:23 quantumsummers +1 Sep 13 13:06:29 likewhoa robbat2|na: i was going to use the old 2008.0 splash theme and work from that Sep 13 13:06:42 likewhoa it has nice icons for boot sequence Sep 13 13:06:53 robbat2|na likewhoa, just with a new background Sep 13 13:07:16 likewhoa talk about boot sequence, how about we equipped the linux penguin with a G logo on it's stomach? Sep 13 13:07:36 quantumsummers would take a kernel patch Sep 13 13:07:39 quantumsummers I think Sep 13 13:07:49 quantumsummers sounds cool though Sep 13 13:08:14 robbat2|na likewhoa, do you mean for the early boot, or the fb background? Sep 13 13:08:19 likewhoa early boot Sep 13 13:08:25 likewhoa top left logo Sep 13 13:08:51 robbat2|na kernel patch, but should be pretty trivial to patch in, just need the artwork Sep 13 13:08:57 robbat2|na there's a script in the kernel to put your own image in Sep 13 13:09:08 quantumsummers heh, nice Sep 13 13:09:22 jmbsvicetto There was some talk about adding some music as well Sep 13 13:09:36 jmbsvicetto Nothing concrete, just some talk about it Sep 13 13:09:43 quantumsummers music would be nice :) Sep 13 13:09:56 quantumsummers something ethereal ;) Sep 13 13:12:18 likewhoa i have someone right now that will make a beat but he needs to know what type of style music to make. Sep 13 13:12:42 quantumsummers tribal Sep 13 13:12:45 quantumsummers :D Sep 13 13:12:59 likewhoa he's a techno,dnb,breakbeats,trance,house etc.. electronic sounds producer Sep 13 13:13:18 quantumsummers this appears to need further future discussion, we can manage via email, no? Sep 13 13:13:58 robbat2|na likewhoa, chill-room stuff, low on the bass Sep 13 13:14:35 likewhoa ok sounds good Sep 13 13:14:49 quantumsummers likewhoa: perhaps some samples when they are ready? Sep 13 13:15:19 likewhoa yes, i'll have him make several samples Sep 13 13:15:30 quantumsummers ok, thanks likewhoa. Sep 13 13:15:31 likewhoa next question would be, how long should the samples be? Sep 13 13:15:42 quantumsummers heh, >30s Sep 13 13:15:46 quantumsummers whoops Sep 13 13:15:49 quantumsummers <30s Sep 13 13:16:04 likewhoa brb let me call him now Sep 13 13:16:14 quantumsummers the intro music only lasts like 10s anyway Sep 13 13:16:38 dabbott current /usr/share/sounds/login.wav is 0.05 Sep 13 13:17:44 quantumsummers ok. anything else on this point or other business? Sep 13 13:18:01 quantumsummers if not I will open the floor ... Sep 13 13:18:41 robbat2|na likewhoa, i checked up on my music terminology, and chillout/downtempo/ambient is what I think would be good Sep 13 13:18:50 quantumsummers +1 Sep 13 13:19:05 tsunam robbat2|na: you just sounded like such a geek Sep 13 13:19:13 robbat2|na but maybe psytrance too Sep 13 13:19:20 quantumsummers ++! Sep 13 13:19:45 robbat2|na i know a couple of electronic DJ's Sep 13 13:20:04 robbat2|na but I value my hearing too much to go to their shows Sep 13 13:20:15 robbat2|na just wait for private parties instead Sep 13 13:20:31 quantumsummers you can get nice earplugs with acoustic tuning ... Sep 13 13:20:48 bonsaikitten quantumsummers: then you're functionally deaf and won't hear the music either Sep 13 13:21:09 quantumsummers hey, not with the musicians ear plugs ;) Sep 13 13:21:16 * bonsaikitten wishes people had working ears so that the loudness levels would be less than fatal Sep 13 13:21:47 * quantumsummers agrees with the cat Sep 13 13:21:48 jmbsvicetto so you know, we started talking about music mentioning 1492 or "Chariots of Fire" from Vangelis, "Also sprach Zarathustra" and then went all over the place ;) Sep 13 13:22:03 robbat2|na quantumsummers, yes, etyomic et al Sep 13 13:22:06 quantumsummers 2001 would be awesome Sep 13 13:22:23 quantumsummers i.e. zarathustra Sep 13 13:22:27 robbat2|na jmbsvicetto, Vangelis, BT, some of Orbital, all good influences Sep 13 13:22:35 quantumsummers phish does a crazy interp Sep 13 13:22:48 tsunam are we done guys? Sep 13 13:22:54 quantumsummers ok. Any Other Business. Sep 13 13:23:01 quantumsummers going once Sep 13 13:23:06 robbat2|na nil Sep 13 13:23:10 quantumsummers going twice Sep 13 13:23:46 quantumsummers sold. thanks for joining us, have a pleasant evening. Sep 13 13:23:51 likewhoa what about cd cover art? Sep 13 13:24:09 robbat2|na former dev pylon used to have nice series of cd cover artwork Sep 13 13:24:21 jmbsvicetto likewhoa: If we don't go with printed media, is it relevant? Sep 13 13:24:31 likewhoa no Sep 13 13:24:46 robbat2|na would still be nice to offer it to people so they can print their own Sep 13 13:24:52 quantumsummers we could provide the img in case someone wants to print their own Sep 13 13:24:55 quantumsummers stab Sep 13 13:24:59 quantumsummers :) Sep 13 13:25:11 jmbsvicetto likewhoa: unless we would want to provide some samples for users to pick up (perhaps a lightscribe sample?) Sep 13 13:25:19 likewhoa ok i'll make some of those too Sep 13 13:25:31 likewhoa i've never done lightscribe Sep 13 13:25:34 quantumsummers sounds good to me. Sep 13 13:25:52 quantumsummers well I think that is it for the formal discussion. Sep 13 13:26:01 quantumsummers Meeting Closed. Thank You.