19:14 <@SwifT> shall we start the meeting, or adjourn it till next thursday? 19:16 <@seemant> spanky's on his way 19:16 <@seemant> finally got him 19:18 <@seemant> agriffis goes straight to voicemail 19:18 <@seemant> that makes what? 4 of us when spanky gets in 19:18 <@seemant> wait, solar's here too 19:18 <@seemant> so 5 19:22 <@SwifT> anyone mind me asking already something about the QA-glep? 19:23 < Halcy0n> That's why I was sticking around. I have to leave soon to go home, so ask me now :P 19:23 <@SwifT> it's about some red tape; "the qa team" can, if the maintainer doesn't reply soon, take action... what is "the qa team"? any member or a set of members? 19:24 < Halcy0n> Any member 19:24 < Halcy0n> And to protect against any one person from doing something stupid, there is the additional clause about disagreements within the team. 19:24 <@SwifT> is the qa team just about the packages or does it also work on project sites, documentation and the like? 19:25 < Halcy0n> The team's primary concern (currently) is the tree. That could always change later on, but right now, no. 19:26 <@SwifT> will someone of the team ever fill out the qa project site so that it contains a description, goals ? :) 19:26 < Halcy0n> Well, the GLEP is basically the description :) I hope to get the devmanual up there somehow soon as well. 19:28 -!- vapier [i=UserBah@wh0rd.org] has joined #gentoo-council 19:28 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+o vapier] by ChanServ 19:28 -!- agriffis [n=agriffis@gentoo/developer/agriffis] has joined #gentoo-council 19:28 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+o agriffis] by ChanServ 19:28 < Halcy0n> And our subprojects are probably the things that will have goals. I'm not sure overall what QA would have as a goal besides to "improve stuff" :) 19:29 <@agriffis> hey, you all arrived early! 19:29 <@SwifT> glep looks fine by me otherwise; especially since it is hard to interprete it the "I will own you all"-way. Good timelines/guidelines and putting less easy decisions somewhere higher 19:30 <@vapier> we're discussing the QA stuff i assume 19:30 <@SwifT> I was just asking some questions like "tree or docs/site as well" (tree atm) and "the qa team can do stuff -> team is any member" 19:33 <@SwifT> anyone else having questions about the QA-glep? 19:34 <@solar> I have no objections to g48.. I'd maybe reword s/look out for the best interests of all developers, as well as our users/look out for the best interest of the tree/ 19:34 <@solar> but thats not a big deal 19:36 <@vapier> i think at this point, if the QA team gets out of hand we can reel them in quickly 19:36 <@az> seems fine to me .. just wondering why if the QA team and dev do not agree, it is changed at all before the council meeting 19:36 <@az> just seems counter productive if the council is going to go the dev's way 19:37 <@SwifT> if its serious breakage, I'm sure no-one else (except the maintainer) would disagree 19:37 <@SwifT> (that it is changed up front) 19:37 <@az> i dont think it will reach the council if it was serious breakage 19:37 <@SwifT> :) 19:37 <@solar> note. we empowered the QA team todo these very things some time ago. One of our first council meetings if I recall. 19:38 <@seemant> in principle I have no problems with the glep at all -- I hope that it is implemented well and does in fact improve QA 19:38 <@seemant> solar: yeah, except we had no QA team back then 19:38 <@solar> we had people on the qa alias. We have always been fixing things that we saw fit 19:39 <@vapier> we had no team 19:39 <@solar> but nod.. Nothing offical before 19:39 <@seemant> yeah we had people on the alias 19:39 <@vapier> being on an alias a team does not make 19:39 <@seemant> yep 19:39 <@solar> it's still the same people 19:39 <@solar> so really nothings changed :p 19:39 <@seemant> solar: not quite -- I would Halcy0n has gone in and galvanised a team together 19:39 < Halcy0n> solar: also, not everyone on the alias is listed as a team member. 19:39 <@seemant> solar: he's basically taken the reins -- nobody actyually did that before 19:39 <@solar> seemant: yeah I know. I'm on it 19:39 <@seemant> and I can not spell 19:40 <@SwifT> perhaps the authority of the team lead (for adding additional members) could be moved to a team decision? 19:42 < Halcy0n> SwifT: as I saw it, the team picks the lead, so instead of making it an entire process, I figured they could just trust who they chose :) 19:43 <@SwifT> just proposing... it looks like something some people might want to counter in the glep 19:44 <@SwifT> but I wouldn't mind; after all, in larger environments it is too the manager that gets the decision 19:44 <@SwifT> seemant: note that I can't make well-formed English sentences 19:45 <@vapier> Halcy0n: so was everything on the mailing list that devs brought up resolved to satisfaction ? seems like the last thread went well 19:46 < Halcy0n> vapier: as far as I'm aware, yes. THe last thread actually stayed on topic, so I was happy :) 19:48 <@seemant> well, then I vote to approve the glep 19:49 <@SwifT> i'm in favor 19:50 <@agriffis> Am I able to abstain? If not, then I'll vote in favor, but I have to admit I'm just going with teh flow. I haven't kept up with the recent discussion around this GLEP. 19:51 <@agriffis> (I mean that I haven't read the ML lately) :-| 19:52 <@SwifT> sure 19:53 <@solar> is this the vote? 19:53 <@SwifT> well yes, yes is it 19:53 <@solar> yes 19:55 < Halcy0n> Well, since you guys are done asking me question, I have to run. Thanks :) 19:55 <@SwifT> thanks for being here 19:55 <@az> yes 19:55 <@az> and if nothing else, im off ... ? 19:56 <@SwifT> unclosed foot-wall 19:57 <@SwifT> no other questions? 19:57 <@solar> I have no questions. 19:58 <@SwifT> me neither 19:58 <@solar> thanks for taking the time to establish that glep to make things official Halcy0n 20:00 <@SwifT> I'll put the logs online and mail -core, okay? 20:00 <@solar> who was the chair ? 20:00 <@solar> great thanks swift 20:00 <@SwifT> no-one, who needs one anyway when we have SEATS !! 20:00 <@SwifT> muhahahaha 20:00 * SwifT needs a coffee 20:13 <@SwifT> hey wait, vapier, you didn't vote yet :p 20:15 <@vapier> i said yes 20:15 <@vapier> in my head 20:15 <@SwifT> ah, that was that voice I heard