Mar 15 13:59:49 Kugelfang *bling bling bling* Mar 15 13:59:52 * wolf31o2|mobile has changed the topic to: Code of Conduct Q&A session at March 14th, 2100UTC ; Voting on CoC @ March 15th, 2100UTC ; http://dev.gentoo.org/~wolf31o2/coc.xml Mar 15 13:59:54 Kugelfang meeting time? Mar 15 14:00:11 wolf31o2|mobile yup Mar 15 14:00:17 wolf31o2|mobile http://dev.gentoo.org/~wolf31o2/coc.xml Mar 15 14:00:45 wolf31o2|mobile here's an update to the coc that was written, including some suggestions and clarifications from yesterday Mar 15 14:01:00 kloeri just read it 5 seconds ago :) Mar 15 14:01:35 * wolf31o2|mobile sets mode +m #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:01:40 Kugelfang wolf31o2|mobile: s/Respect someones/Respect someone's/ Mar 15 14:01:51 Kugelfang wolf31o2|mobile: 3rd paragraph Mar 15 14:01:57 wolf31o2|mobile Kugelfang: typographical... doesn't change content... but thanks Mar 15 14:01:58 Kugelfang wolf31o2|mobile: first bulletpoint Mar 15 14:02:06 Kugelfang nod... i'm a nitpicker ;-) Mar 15 14:02:08 wolf31o2|mobile dont' address me Mar 15 14:02:13 wolf31o2|mobile I didn't write/edit it Mar 15 14:02:17 wolf31o2|mobile I just uploaded it Mar 15 14:02:18 wolf31o2|mobile :P Mar 15 14:03:01 robbat2 hi Mar 15 14:03:21 robbat2 kingtaco|work, get in here Mar 15 14:03:22 * expose has quit (Nick collision from services.) Mar 15 14:03:26 kingtaco|work I am Mar 15 14:03:40 kingtaco|work jeez, can't a guy have a smoke or 20 ? Mar 15 14:03:45 wolf31o2|mobile heh Mar 15 14:03:48 * expose_ (n=nobody@82.139.196.236) has left #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:03:58 * expose (n=nobody@82.139.196.236) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:04:35 kloeri who's missing? vapier and uber? Mar 15 14:05:05 kingtaco|work should probably link robbat2's stuff as well Mar 15 14:05:10 kingtaco|work robbat2, ? Mar 15 14:06:10 robbat2 one sec Mar 15 14:06:13 vapier ? Mar 15 14:06:34 vapier http://rafb.net/p/qrNRyr49.html Mar 15 14:06:42 * nightmorph (n=nightmor@gentoo/developer/nightmorph) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:07:10 * Chainsaw (n=chainsaw@gentoo/developer/Chainsaw) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:07:12 robbat2 http://dev.gentoo.org/~robbat2/coc-conditions.txt Mar 15 14:08:03 * phreak`` (n=phreak``@gentoo/developer/phreak) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:08:06 robbat2 ok, so we've all gone off and done this seperately it seems :-( Mar 15 14:08:24 kloeri I haven't :) Mar 15 14:08:53 * hoffie (n=hoffie@e.rootservers.org) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:09:15 wolf31o2|mobile vapier: look at the updated version in my dev space, pelase Mar 15 14:09:37 vapier too many Mar 15 14:09:47 robbat2 there's only 3 things in vapier's that aren't addressed in your update Mar 15 14:09:50 vapier someone start combining them Mar 15 14:09:59 robbat2 i'll point them out quickly Mar 15 14:10:00 Kugelfang i love the name "proctors" Mar 15 14:10:05 * windzor (n=windzor@82.143.229.82) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:10:12 robbat2 diffences between vapier/wolf31o2 versions: Mar 15 14:10:14 robbat2 1. drop caps Mar 15 14:10:30 robbat2 2. "If you screw up, apologize sincerely" vapier calls it lame Mar 15 14:10:54 robbat2 3. "ombudsman should probably be more involved" in consequences Mar 15 14:11:24 robbat2 vapier: read my conditions link, as those are seperate to wolf31's changes Mar 15 14:11:44 * dev-zero (n=TizianoM@gentoo/developer/dev-zero) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:13:09 wolf31o2|mobile give me like 5 and I'll update Mar 15 14:13:16 wolf31o2|mobile (and they weren't my changes, dammit) Mar 15 14:15:03 * blackace (n=blackace@gentoo/developer/blackace) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:17:18 wolf31o2|mobile bleh... this is fun Mar 15 14:17:51 Kugelfang what happened? Mar 15 14:18:08 wolf31o2|mobile how about s/apologize sincerely/take responsibility for your actions/ ? Mar 15 14:18:16 wolf31o2|mobile Kugelfang: sorry... I'm editing Mar 15 14:18:26 Kugelfang :-) Mar 15 14:18:36 kloeri wolf31o2|mobile: I like that Mar 15 14:18:45 robbat2 +1 here for now Mar 15 14:18:48 wolf31o2|mobile vapier: can you look at it (updated it) and see if you have anything else to add that isnt' in robin's comments ? Mar 15 14:18:56 kingtaco|work wfm Mar 15 14:19:35 Kugelfang wolf31o2|mobile: someone's ;-) Mar 15 14:19:36 robbat2 wolf31o2|mobile, err, did you miss vapier's ombusdman bit? Mar 15 14:19:45 robbat2 ombudsman Mar 15 14:19:51 Kugelfang wolf31o2|mobile: and there is still one capital "RESPECTFULLY" Mar 15 14:19:58 Kugelfang wolf31o2|mobile: in the 3 paragraph Mar 15 14:20:08 Kugelfang +rd Mar 15 14:20:26 wolf31o2|mobile somebody write something for it Mar 15 14:20:34 wolf31o2|mobile don't leave it all to me Mar 15 14:20:34 wolf31o2|mobile heh Mar 15 14:20:47 robbat2 one sec then Mar 15 14:20:52 Kugelfang i don't think the ombudsman is involved there Mar 15 14:21:00 robbat2 "appeals should be addressed to the ombudsman and the Gentoo Council via email at council@gentoo.org" Mar 15 14:21:04 Kugelfang the ombudsman is for dev<->dev problems Mar 15 14:21:14 Kugelfang this is about communication problems Mar 15 14:22:21 robbat2 hmm, point there Mar 15 14:22:36 wolf31o2|mobile ok... updated Mar 15 14:23:35 wolf31o2|mobile if anyone has anything, let me know... but this should be good enough to cover us until the next meeting... also, you'll notice that nowhere does it define what proctors can/can't be (other than council members) meaning that for the interim, I think that forums mods and #gentoo ops could be considered fillign that capacity, so long as there's a few others to do oversight for the next meeting Mar 15 14:24:01 * pusling (i=pusling@195.215.29.124) has left #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:24:09 Kugelfang i want grant in there, too Mar 15 14:24:14 Kugelfang if he volunteers Mar 15 14:24:20 wolf31o2|mobile that's fine Mar 15 14:24:21 Kugelfang g2boojum: ping? Mar 15 14:24:33 kloeri I'm fine with that Mar 15 14:24:47 robbat2 points 2,3,4 from mine are still valid, but apply directly to the document rather than being changes that need to be in it Mar 15 14:24:55 kingtaco|work yeah Mar 15 14:25:03 robbat2 in specific, and for the log of this meeting: Mar 15 14:25:10 kingtaco|work are we selecting the first round of people? Mar 15 14:25:13 robbat2 2. people need to work together and bring us a revised CoC Mar 15 14:25:16 kingtaco|work I'd rather that Mar 15 14:25:29 robbat2 3. people need to find another name than proctors Mar 15 14:25:37 wolf31o2|mobile kingtaco|work: in addition to the forums/#gentoo guys, you mean? Mar 15 14:25:40 g2boojum Kugelfang: I'm not really around until next week. (I also haven't read back, so I've no idea what I'm being pinged about just yet.) Mar 15 14:25:56 robbat2 4. council should reguarlly review actions taken by proctors Mar 15 14:26:18 Kugelfang g2boojum: i want you to be part of the proctors group if you afree Mar 15 14:26:20 Kugelfang agree Mar 15 14:26:26 kingtaco|work wolf31o2|mobile, I think we should include some of those people because they have experence, but not necessarly all of them Mar 15 14:26:36 wolf31o2|mobile I definitely agree with 2 and 4... I think 3 is kinda one of those things where nothing will ever fit, so what't the point in changing the title, as it gains us nothing anyway Mar 15 14:26:39 kingtaco|work Kugelfang, no fair, I wanted him first Mar 15 14:26:48 Kugelfang kingtaco|work: hah... never! Mar 15 14:26:49 kingtaco|work NASA love triangle! Mar 15 14:27:02 wolf31o2|mobile kingtaco|work: for the permanent list, sure... but for the interim (as in, until next council meeting when we can get everything hashed out ahead of time) Mar 15 14:27:57 kingtaco|work wolf31o2|mobile, lemme rephrase, the forums and #gentoo people have done a good job at this in their places, but I don't feel comfortable with solely them doing the other mediums Mar 15 14:28:12 kingtaco|work so I'd like a couple more people Mar 15 14:28:21 kingtaco|work seemant, g2boojum in particular Mar 15 14:28:39 g2boojum Kugelfang: Okay. If I end up too busy, I'll let the council know. I'm rarely likely to be good at "rapid response" right now, though. Mar 15 14:28:47 wolf31o2|mobile kingtaco|work: definitely... I thought I'd made that clear... sorry... and I agree that we should have a better list for the next meeting, including people from both groups Mar 15 14:29:09 Kugelfang g2boojum: noted Mar 15 14:29:11 kingtaco|work aight Mar 15 14:29:22 * rullzer has quit (Client Quit) Mar 15 14:29:24 robbat2 did Uber show up yet? Mar 15 14:29:30 Kugelfang nope Mar 15 14:30:05 * wolf31o2|mobile pokes Uber a couple more times for effect Mar 15 14:32:06 Uber sorry, here Mar 15 14:32:10 Kugelfang ahh Mar 15 14:32:14 Kugelfang so we can vote now? Mar 15 14:32:28 kingtaco|work let's be clear on what version we're voting on Mar 15 14:32:31 kingtaco|work wolfs ? Mar 15 14:32:33 Kugelfang wolf's Mar 15 14:32:37 kingtaco|work anything added to that Mar 15 14:32:44 kingtaco|work like stuff from robbat2 ? Mar 15 14:32:55 Kugelfang see above^^^ Mar 15 14:33:39 kingtaco|work Kugelfang, not to be pedantic, but I'd rather just list everything we're voting on all at once Mar 15 14:33:51 wolf31o2|mobile well, I say this... we vote on the version on my dev space right now, with the addition that we *will* revisit this document at the next regular council meeting, will have a list of suggested proctors (and have gotten their approval), and will review the proctors actions each council meeting Mar 15 14:33:56 wolf31o2|mobile ^^^^ Mar 15 14:33:57 wolf31o2|mobile there Mar 15 14:34:04 wolf31o2|mobile so, vote ? Mar 15 14:34:22 Kugelfang yes please Mar 15 14:34:30 * kingtaco|work yes Mar 15 14:34:31 wolf31o2|mobile ok... Mar 15 14:34:32 robbat2 yes Mar 15 14:34:32 wolf31o2|mobile yes Mar 15 14:34:33 kloeri yes Mar 15 14:34:41 * windzor has quit (Client Quit) Mar 15 14:34:48 Uber yes Mar 15 14:34:58 kingtaco|work Kugelfang, your vote was yes or "yes, let's vote" Mar 15 14:34:59 * Uber has just read it and it looks good Mar 15 14:35:08 Kugelfang yes Mar 15 14:35:13 Kugelfang kingtaco|work: :-) Mar 15 14:35:19 kingtaco|work aight Mar 15 14:35:20 wolf31o2|mobile slacker^Wspanky ? *grin* Mar 15 14:35:31 robbat2 vapier, ^^^ Mar 15 14:35:36 kingtaco|work vapier, you wanna play along with the other kids? Mar 15 14:36:12 * MinnieBannister (n=roy@gentoo/developer/NeddySeagoon) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:36:18 kingtaco|work I'd also like to see christel involved in the begining Mar 15 14:36:21 wolf31o2|mobile also, where should we stick this for the time being? Mar 15 14:36:32 kingtaco|work I think she has a lot of good ideas about stuff like this Mar 15 14:36:32 Kugelfang wolf31o2|mobile: council project space Mar 15 14:36:38 wolf31o2|mobile that's what I was thinking Mar 15 14:36:40 kingtaco|work yeah, proj/en/council Mar 15 14:37:16 kingtaco|work aight Mar 15 14:37:19 wolf31o2|mobile ok... added now Mar 15 14:37:25 Kugelfang excellent Mar 15 14:37:33 g2boojum She's going to be a tad busy. We got into GSOC again. Mar 15 14:37:49 kingtaco|work g2boojum, I know, I'm trying to get you guys a bok this year :) Mar 15 14:37:53 kingtaco|work *box Mar 15 14:38:03 wolf31o2|mobile wolf31o2 * gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/council/coc.xml: Initial approved version of the Code of Conduct, to be reviewed at the next Council meeting. Mar 15 14:38:22 g2boojum kingtaco|work: gracias Mar 15 14:38:35 robbat2 ok, i'll do the logs+summary for this meeting Mar 15 14:38:45 kingtaco|work g2boojum, however, she can also manage to herd some insane group of 15k women or something with similar rules Mar 15 14:38:59 * cshields (n=cshields@osuosl/staff/cshields) has joined #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:39:05 kingtaco|work so Mar 15 14:39:06 wolf31o2|mobile did anybody do logs/summary from the last one? Mar 15 14:39:12 kingtaco|work yeah, vapier did Mar 15 14:39:14 wolf31o2|mobile k Mar 15 14:39:21 wolf31o2|mobile I didn't know he did a summary Mar 15 14:39:42 kingtaco|work so I think it's best that a couple of us council types take charge in getting the initial group going Mar 15 14:40:07 kingtaco|work probably kloeri, myself || robbat2 and one mroe Mar 15 14:40:26 robbat2 err, initial group of proctors? Mar 15 14:40:28 wolf31o2|mobile well, you and robin have the infra-fu to make it happen Mar 15 14:40:29 kingtaco|work no Mar 15 14:40:31 kingtaco|work no Mar 15 14:40:46 kingtaco|work just getting the initial group together Mar 15 14:40:50 robbat2 ah, ok Mar 15 14:40:57 kingtaco|work forums, #gentoo, seemant, g2boojum, christel Mar 15 14:41:09 kingtaco|work just so we don't all have to take up time on it Mar 15 14:41:10 kloeri I'd be happy to help get the initial group together Mar 15 14:41:18 vapier maybe some wikipedia links for trolling/flaming Mar 15 14:41:28 kingtaco|work wolf31o2|mobile, that's why I suggested one of us :) Mar 15 14:41:43 kingtaco|work and kloeri because it's sorta his turf Mar 15 14:42:02 robbat2 ok, for implementation wise, if you want to block somebodies posts right now, grab me in infra, the initial app is an hour or 3 away from being completed Mar 15 14:42:05 kingtaco|work vapier, indeed Mar 15 14:42:23 kingtaco|work or me, after robbat2 shows me how it works Mar 15 14:42:35 kingtaco|work who's the 3rd? Mar 15 14:42:37 vapier i'd prefer to abstain from vote for now until i get back to review current list Mar 15 14:42:42 kingtaco|work and robbat2 you want to or shall I? Mar 15 14:42:44 kingtaco|work vapier, so noted Mar 15 14:42:54 robbat2 kingtaco|work, you take it please, so I can finish the app Mar 15 14:43:00 kingtaco|work robbat2, you got it Mar 15 14:43:06 kingtaco|work we need one more person Mar 15 14:43:12 kingtaco|work Uber, ? Mar 15 14:43:12 robbat2 here's my implementation plan - http://dev.gentoo.org/~robbat2/coc-ml-impl.txt Mar 15 14:43:22 kingtaco|work Kugelfang, ? Mar 15 14:43:39 kingtaco|work I'm excluding wolf as I want him for releng and trustees :) Mar 15 14:43:49 Kugelfang kingtaco|work: huh? Mar 15 14:43:55 wolf31o2|mobile heh... I was about to say I won't have time until after release Mar 15 14:44:03 kingtaco|work Kugelfang, 3 of us are going to get the ball rolling Mar 15 14:44:03 * expose has quit (Connection timed out) Mar 15 14:44:15 kingtaco|work Kugelfang, it's me and kloeri so far, won't you join us? Mar 15 14:44:24 Kugelfang kingtaco|work: all i want is grant in the group... i'm busy with release as well Mar 15 14:44:31 Kugelfang kingtaco|work: so no Mar 15 14:44:35 kingtaco|work Uber, join us Mar 15 14:44:45 kingtaco|work or it's just me and kloeri Mar 15 14:44:49 kingtaco|work we can do that Mar 15 14:44:53 kloeri I'm only busy with releng work for two archs :) Mar 15 14:44:59 kingtaco|work haha Mar 15 14:45:04 kingtaco|work and I'm busy with infra Mar 15 14:45:08 kingtaco|work we're all busy Mar 15 14:45:18 Kugelfang i still say no :-P Mar 15 14:45:29 kingtaco|work aight, me and kloeri it is Mar 15 14:45:38 kingtaco|work Uber, if you want to help, please let us know Mar 15 14:45:46 kingtaco|work and I think we're done Mar 15 14:45:50 kingtaco|work any other business? Mar 15 14:46:05 robbat2 nope Mar 15 14:46:13 kloeri nope Mar 15 14:46:17 Kugelfang so let's finish this :-) Mar 15 14:46:27 Uber kingtaco|work: I'm a little busy right now, sorry Mar 15 14:46:31 kingtaco|work we just did Mar 15 14:46:38 kingtaco|work class dismissed Mar 15 14:46:42 * kingtaco|work sets mode -m #gentoo-council Mar 15 14:46:50 robbat2 kingtaco|work, maybe ask amne to help you get a group together too? Mar 15 14:46:51 Uber kingtaco|work: huh, helping out how? Mar 15 14:46:52 impulze heh Mar 15 14:47:07 kingtaco|work Uber, just orginizing the initial people Mar 15 14:47:09 kloeri wee! /me runs off to beat the weaker guys Mar 15 14:47:29 kingtaco|work robbat2, aalready in pm with him