- Council noted the lack of pre-prepared agenda items, and tried to see what outsanding issues from previous months were still running. jaervosz and vapier were marked as slackers for non-attendance. - On the Musikc's proposal from the June meeting that was to be assembled and discussed by proctors, no progress had been made due to real-life issues and timing conflicts. The previously existing document was not agreed upon by existing proctors either. - The issues of -project, and moderation of email were brought up the counterproposal to the proctors, as they had been discussed in the June 2007 meeting. - Kingtaco wanted a vote to cancel the proctors. robbat2 wanted them to just die quietly if no material was forthcoming. Others called for a definate stand rather than the "die quietly". All 5 attending council members voted in favour of dropping the proctors. - More discussion was put into the -project and moderation issue and the state of proctors. - nightmorph aske the council questions about how much time council work takes up and the like.