Roll Call: =========== Betelgeuse: here Cardoe: here dertobi123: here dev-zero: here leio: here lu_zero: here tanderson(secretary): here ulm: here Topics: =========== - Filling the empty council seat. Donnie Berkholz resigned from the council so there is an empty spot that needs to be filled. ssuominen and ulm were tied for the next spot, but ssuominen relinquished his seat to ulm. To fill the spot, ulm needed to be unanimusly voted in by the current members. Conclusion: Unanimously voted to fill the seat. Ulrich Müller will fill Donnie Berkholz's seat for the rest of the current term. - EAPI 3 status report from Zac Medico. No progress yet. Zac said he'd have a recent recruit of his work with him on it. Conclusion: Zac will work on EAPI 3 features with the help of his recruit. He will also blog about what features need to be done so the general community can pitch in. - Removal of Old Eclasses. Jorge(jmbsvicetto) requested that the council discuss removing eclasses from the tree that are no longer needed. The problem with this is that old(<2.1.4) portage versions used the eclasses from the tree to run uninstall phases. Thus, the removal of eclasses would break users who have a portage older than 2.1.4. Conclusion: The council voted that to remove eclasses devs should take the following steps: 1) Deprecate eclasses. 2) Removal of all functionality relating to installing. 3) After two years the eclass may be removed. Thomas Anderson(tanderson) will write up patches for devmanual so that this policy is documented. - Handling EAPI Versioning in a forwards-compatible way. Various developers have raised concerns that GLEP 55 only describes a solution and doesn't clearly show the problems being solved(if any). Luca(lu_zero) mentioned a few things in the "Problem" section that he thought could be clarified, listed below: 1) For "Change the behaviour of inherit in any way", it would be useful to include references to bugs where requested inherit changes would require GLEP 55. 2) For "Add new global scope functions in any way", defining 'Sane'. 3) For "Extend versioning rules in an EAPI", removal of all mentions of GLEP 54 would remove circularity. In addition, mentioning other version format changes would be useful. 4) For "Use newer bash features", listing useful(including in-tree) bash features not available in the bash version mandated by PMS would be useful. Conclusion: The council voted on whether they recognized the problem that GLEP 55 is attempting to solve is real. The vote was affirmative in recognition of the problem with two abstentions(leio and ulm). ' Cardoe was no longer at the meeting for this vote and will post his voteon-list.