--- Log opened Tue Jul 24 19:45:10 2012 19:45 -!- grobian [~grobian@gentoo/developer/grobian] has joined #gentoo-council 19:45 -!- Irssi: #gentoo-council: Total of 42 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 39 normal] 19:45 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+o grobian] by ChanServ 19:45 -!- Irssi: Join to #gentoo-council was synced in 34 secs 19:46 <@ grobian> I hope freenode won't keep disconnecting me on ipv6 20:00 -!- ulm [~ulm@gentoo/developer/ulm] has joined #gentoo-council 20:00 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+o ulm] by ChanServ 20:01 -!- grobian changed the topic of #gentoo-council to: meeting today: 2012-07-24 19:00 UTC | Meeting chair: grobian | agenda: http://dev.gentoo.org/~grobian/agenda-20120724.txt | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/utctolocal.html?time=1900 | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/ 20:13 -!- WilliamH [~william@gentoo/developer/williamh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00 <@ grobian> anyone here? 21:01 <@ grobian> Betelgeuse ulm ulm_ dberkholz scarabeus 21:01 <@ ulm> here 21:01 <@ grobian> I'm not sure if my correction came through correctly with everyone 21:02 <@ grobian> I sent 20:00 UTC originally 21:02 *** ulm has received it 21:02 <@ grobian> williamh is trying to get here too 21:03 <@ grobian> don't know about tony, he said it was fine with him --- Log closed Tue Jul 24 21:05:36 2012 --- Log opened Tue Jul 24 21:06:42 2012 21:06 -!- grobian [~grobian@gentoo/developer/grobian] has joined #gentoo-council 21:06 -!- Irssi: #gentoo-council: Total of 42 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 38 normal] 21:06 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+o grobian] by ChanServ 21:06 <@ grobian> bah 21:06 <@ grobian> got disconnected myself 21:07 -!- Irssi: Join to #gentoo-council was synced in 35 secs 21:07 <@ grobian> did anyone but you show up ulm? 21:09 <@ ulm> nope :( 21:09 <@ grobian> ok, good start then :/ 21:10 *** ulm is searching for phone numbers 21:13 < scarabeus> i had a lag 21:13 < scarabeus> sorry 21:13 <@ grobian> ah, cool 21:13 -!- Chainsaw [~chainsaw@gentoo/developer/chainsaw] has joined #gentoo-council 21:13 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+o Chainsaw] by ChanServ 21:13 <@ ulm> I've phoned tony 21:13 <@ grobian> and another one 21:14 <@ Chainsaw> Argh. 21:14 <@ grobian> nice! 21:14 <@ Chainsaw> So sorry. 21:15 <@ ulm> Petteri tells me that he can answer stuff by sms only 21:15 <@ ulm> whatever that means 21:15 <@ grobian> lol 21:15 <@ grobian> ok 21:15 < scarabeus> no net i suppose 21:15 < scarabeus> :D 21:15 < scarabeus> so ask him for votes on the items at least :P 21:16 <@ grobian> we basically vote for doing the stuff the same as last term 21:16 <@ Chainsaw> Agreed for second tuesday of every month. 21:16 <@ Chainsaw> That works well for me. 21:16 < scarabeus> wfm too 21:16 <@ Chainsaw> Workflow, that's a yes, it seemed to work well last term. 21:17 <@ grobian> Chainsaw: you're on the agenda now? 21:17 <@ grobian> http://dev.gentoo.org/~grobian/agenda-20120724.txt 21:17 < scarabeus> he is FAST :D 21:17 <@ ulm> only mailbox for dberkholz 21:17 <@ Chainsaw> grobian: Yeah. Just looking what you need votes for. 21:17 <@ Chainsaw> I can do an introduction if anyone doesn't know me of course. 21:17 <@ Chainsaw> (If you haven't all gone "oh it's the anti-systemd dude") 21:17 <@ grobian> ulm: no number either 21:17 <@ grobian> let's give william some more minutes? 21:18 <@ grobian> I think we can do the rest quite quick 21:18 *** Chainsaw nods 21:18 <@ ulm> grobian: four council members are present, so at least we avoid a re-election :-/ 21:19 < scarabeus> that would be pretty lame start we can say 21:19 <@ grobian> is there anyone who wants to do chairing in upcoming meetings? 21:19 <@ grobian> ulm: yeah... 21:20 <@ ulm> I could do august or september 21:20 <@ Chainsaw> We need jmbsvicetto and his address book. 21:20 <@ Chainsaw> He seemed to have numbers for everyone. 21:20 <@ Chainsaw> (Although... fair play for knowing my landline number. I didn't give that out much) 21:21 <@ grobian> ulm: I'm likely not available 1th of september, so I'd need replacement for that one 21:22 <@ grobian> so, to conclude: betelgeuse is unavailable at the moment, dberkholz unknown, williamh has no internet 21:22 <@ ulm> Chainsaw: I have this ...18 number from you and another ...15 (work?) 21:22 <@ Chainsaw> ulm: Yeah, both work numbers end in 15. 21:23 <@ Chainsaw> ulm: And 18 is the landline I actually use. There's another, but I need an Asterisk server before I can use that in earnest. 21:23 <@ grobian> shall we just start? 21:24 <@ Chainsaw> Could wait 6 more minutes and start 20:30? 21:24 <@ grobian> sure 21:24 <@ grobian> let's do that 21:25 <@ ulm> yes, let's give williamh a few more minutes 21:25 <@ grobian> would be nice indeed, he's the real newbee, if I'm not mistaken 21:27 <@ ulm> grobian: above, by "1th of september" you mean 11th? 21:27 <@ grobian> yeah 21:27 <@ grobian> sorry 21:27 <@ ulm> I could take the chair for that one 21:28 <@ grobian> next dates are 14th August, 11th September, 9th October, 13th November, 11th December 21:28 <@ grobian> as it looks now, I could take them all, except september 21:28 <@ grobian> that should give a proper start 21:29 <@ grobian> so we can reevaluate next year 21:30 <@ ulm> shouldn't we rotate the chair as we used to do? 21:30 <@ ulm> grobian: not that I would mind you doing all the work ;-) 21:30 <@ grobian> I suggested to have a couple in a line, because that makes it easier 21:30 < scarabeus> i think it is better to have one guy do it or switch them after few 21:30 <@ grobian> I think it's easier to fo it properly 21:30 <@ grobian> easier to do it proper if you do it a couple of times in a row 21:31 <@ grobian> I think four should be ok 21:32 <@ grobian> ok, let's start? 21:33 <@ Chainsaw> Okay, go. 21:33 <@ ulm> yep 21:33 <@ grobian> scarabeus: do you want an introduction? 21:33 <@ grobian> see agenda http://dev.gentoo.org/~grobian/agenda-20120724.txt 21:33 < scarabeus> nah 21:33 < scarabeus> i was already council :-) 21:34 <@ grobian> ok, is there anyone that wants to say something, announce some goals or whatelse? 21:34 <@ Chainsaw> I aim to keep breakage out of the tree where I can. 21:34 <@ Chainsaw> And stand up for those that run production servers on Gentoo. 21:35 <@ Chainsaw> (My dislike of overlays & systemd remains firmly in place, yes) 21:35 <@ grobian> lol 21:35 <@ grobian> ok, so we can finish the introduction thing, right? 21:35 <@ Chainsaw> Think so, unless you want my life story? 21:35 <@ grobian> nope 21:36 <@ grobian> please 21:36 <@ grobian> no! 21:36 <@ grobian> ok, I'd like some quick votes now 21:36 <@ Chainsaw> Aw, and I had the full powerpoint loaded up. 21:36 <@ Chainsaw> Okay then. 21:36 <@ Chainsaw> Second tuesday of every month? In favour! 21:36 < scarabeus> '+1 21:36 <@ ulm> yes 21:36 <@ grobian> please vote for 2nd tuesday, 19:00 UTC 21:37 <@ Chainsaw> grobian: I vote yes. 21:37 <@ grobian> brilliant 21:37 <@ ulm> betelgeuse has texted to me that 19 UTC is fine for him on every day 21:38 <@ grobian> ok, now please vote for sending call for agenda 2 weeks in advance, agenda 1 week, and (new) the summary afterwards to -project 21:38 <@ Chainsaw> grobian: Yes on workflow. 21:38 <@ ulm> yes 21:38 < scarabeus> +1 21:38 <@ grobian> do we all agree, we include betelgeuse via sms/text? 21:38 < scarabeus> it is fine if it does not violate the glep 21:38 <@ grobian> questionable 21:39 <@ grobian> ok, sorry, back to the workflow vote 21:39 <@ Chainsaw> I don't think it says anything about an attendee also proxying. 21:39 <@ grobian> ok workflow: all yes 21:39 *** ulm is not sure if he can actually follow 21:39 <@ grobian> let me restart 21:39 <@ ulm> s/he/betelgeuse/ 21:39 <@ grobian> ah 21:39 <@ Chainsaw> Yes, from scratch. Introductions? 21:40 <@ grobian> Chainsaw: NO! I won't let you do your powerpoint thing! 21:40 <@ grobian> Chainsaw: :P 21:40 <@ Chainsaw> Aw :( 21:40 < scarabeus> "Hello, I am Tom and I am adddicted to..." 21:40 <@ grobian> sorry guys 21:40 <@ grobian> back to votes 21:40 <@ grobian> I recorded betelgeuse's vote vor 2nd tuesdays 21:40 <@ grobian> I have 4 votes in favour for the workflow 21:41 <@ grobian> so what's left is the chairing, I volunteered to do the first bit 21:41 <@ grobian> result is in the updated agenda 21:41 <@ grobian> is that ok with you? 21:42 < scarabeus> yup enjoy your post 21:42 <@ ulm> fine 21:42 < scarabeus> next chair should be picked on your last one 21:43 <@ grobian> Chainsaw: ? 21:44 <@ Chainsaw> grobian: I am fine with you chairing meetings. You seem quite good at it :) 21:44 <@ grobian> thank you for the trust :) 21:44 <@ grobian> ok, can we conclude this topic then? 21:44 <@ Chainsaw> By all means. Do we have any open bugs left? 21:44 <@ grobian> I thought we closed 21:44 <@ ulm> who's going to update the list of chairs on the council's web page? 21:44 <@ grobian> but I'd have to check 21:45 <@ ulm> bug 383467 is still open 21:45 < willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/383467 "Council webpage lacks results for 2010 and 2011 elections"; Website www.gentoo.org, Projects; CONF; hwoarang:jmbsvicetto 21:45 <@ grobian> I suggest we go through the normal cycle of bugs and open issues at next meeting 21:46 <@ grobian> ulm: I'll update it 21:46 <@ ulm> good 21:46 <@ ulm> it's currently commented out in the xml source 21:46 <@ grobian> saw that 21:47 <@ grobian> ok, open floor, anyone wants to raise some issue? 21:47 <@ Chainsaw> Not everyone at once please. 21:47 < scarabeus> (that apply to you non-council guys too) 21:47 < scarabeus> :P 21:47 <@ Chainsaw> Form an orderly queue. The microphone is now on. 21:48 <@ grobian> ok, gentlemen 21:48 <@ grobian> please reload the agenda once again, and tell me if you agree with its contents 21:49 <@ grobian> then I'll shoot it in right away 21:49 <@ Chainsaw> I'm mentioned. Neat! 21:49 < scarabeus> Chainsaw: be happy there aint no photos 21:49 <@ Chainsaw> scarabeus: Probably for the best. 21:49 <@ grobian> Chainsaw: I removed the "the chair denied Chainsaw to present his life by powerpoint slides" 21:49 <@ Chainsaw> grobian: Approved as a true record of what was discussed. 21:49 <@ Chainsaw> grobian: Your loss. 21:50 <@ ulm> grobian: agenda is fine 21:50 < scarabeus> grobian: it is perfect 21:50 <@ grobian> very nice 21:50 <@ grobian> then thank you all for being here 21:50 <@ grobian> let's close this meeting 21:50 <@ Chainsaw> I would like to thank ulm for my reminder phone call. 21:50 <@ ulm> yw